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	<title>Comments on: Who’s Responsible for Social Media Counsel?</title>
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		<title>By: Danny Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Danny Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To be honest, this could transfer to so many industries. Some PR pros are great at social media, some not so much. But then some social media whizzes are absolutely crap at PR. Or marketing. Or journalism. Or advertising. Or (insert profession here).

The point is, having as wide and varied a skill set is becoming increasingly important to both set yourself apart as a business owner, or as a potential employee for a company.

I come from a traditional marketing background and over the years I&#039;ve incorporated PR and social media into my skill sets. Yet I have a bunch of others that, while I don&#039;t advertise them, I need to do my job. HTML or CSS coding for client websites, for example, and search engine optimization for client visibility being just two.

The single title job description has been redundant for a while; now you need a bunch of skills. Saying that an &quot;expert&quot; social media pro can&#039;t come from a traditional background (PR, marketing, whatever) is kinda like saying you can&#039;t be a teacher unless you went to a certain school. We all have fantastic learning abilities built in from birth; all you have to do is want to learn.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, this could transfer to so many industries. Some PR pros are great at social media, some not so much. But then some social media whizzes are absolutely crap at PR. Or marketing. Or journalism. Or advertising. Or (insert profession here).</p>
<p>The point is, having as wide and varied a skill set is becoming increasingly important to both set yourself apart as a business owner, or as a potential employee for a company.</p>
<p>I come from a traditional marketing background and over the years I&#8217;ve incorporated PR and social media into my skill sets. Yet I have a bunch of others that, while I don&#8217;t advertise them, I need to do my job. HTML or CSS coding for client websites, for example, and search engine optimization for client visibility being just two.</p>
<p>The single title job description has been redundant for a while; now you need a bunch of skills. Saying that an &#8220;expert&#8221; social media pro can&#8217;t come from a traditional background (PR, marketing, whatever) is kinda like saying you can&#8217;t be a teacher unless you went to a certain school. We all have fantastic learning abilities built in from birth; all you have to do is want to learn.</p>
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		<title>By: communikaytrix</title>
		<link>http://communikaytrix.com/2009/07/16/who%e2%80%99s-responsible-for-social-media-counsel/comment-page-1/#comment-74</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Heather! I absolutely agree with you - there are people from all professions, pr included, who should not be spearheading online communication.  Hopefully a trained communicator can transition his or her talents to fit the specifics of social media conversation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Heather! I absolutely agree with you &#8211; there are people from all professions, pr included, who should not be spearheading online communication.  Hopefully a trained communicator can transition his or her talents to fit the specifics of social media conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: communikaytrix</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[communikaytrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow - thanks so much for all of the great discussion!  So many good thoughts here - I can tell we are all passionate about this topic!

To clarify my own stance - I don&#039;t believe a PR person is the only person who can contribute to a social media strategy. Certainly some of my greatest mentors don&#039;t have a background in PR. I was responding directly to one line from Peter and Sarah&#039;s post that suggested people with traditional PR training shouldn&#039;t consult on social media.  I believe traditional PR training can be a great stepping stone to overall communication strategy that includes social media - given that the practitioner has become well versed in the nuances of online conversation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; thanks so much for all of the great discussion!  So many good thoughts here &#8211; I can tell we are all passionate about this topic!</p>
<p>To clarify my own stance &#8211; I don&#8217;t believe a PR person is the only person who can contribute to a social media strategy. Certainly some of my greatest mentors don&#8217;t have a background in PR. I was responding directly to one line from Peter and Sarah&#8217;s post that suggested people with traditional PR training shouldn&#8217;t consult on social media.  I believe traditional PR training can be a great stepping stone to overall communication strategy that includes social media &#8211; given that the practitioner has become well versed in the nuances of online conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: communikaytrix</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[communikaytrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sarah - thanks so much commenting. I imagine what you were saying that I may not have taken from that tip was the vast number of traditional PR agencies consulting clients on social media and suggesting strategies when they haven&#039;t done their due diligence to understand exactly what they are talking about. You mention your friend - I have those too - PR pros who hear the buzz words like Facebook, Twitter, engagement - and try to put them into practice for their clients. I agree with you - that is a big problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah &#8211; thanks so much commenting. I imagine what you were saying that I may not have taken from that tip was the vast number of traditional PR agencies consulting clients on social media and suggesting strategies when they haven&#8217;t done their due diligence to understand exactly what they are talking about. You mention your friend &#8211; I have those too &#8211; PR pros who hear the buzz words like Facebook, Twitter, engagement &#8211; and try to put them into practice for their clients. I agree with you &#8211; that is a big problem.</p>
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		<title>By: communikaytrix</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[communikaytrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Al - thanks for chiming in!  I agree and I think we both felt the same way when we read that tip.  There is a lot of criticism about those PR practitioners who aren&#039;t up to speed on social media, so it seems a little counter intuitive to suggest they shouldn&#039;t be doing it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Al &#8211; thanks for chiming in!  I agree and I think we both felt the same way when we read that tip.  There is a lot of criticism about those PR practitioners who aren&#8217;t up to speed on social media, so it seems a little counter intuitive to suggest they shouldn&#8217;t be doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Trivitt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keith Trivitt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rachel - Honestly, this is one of the best posts I&#039;ve read in some time. You really shed a lot of light on what is quickly becoming a very heated subject within the PR/social media worlds. Coming from a non-PR background (I have two degrees in sport management), I lean more to the side of what Arik said. I now certainly have the PR and social media chops that are necessary to succeed in this business (at least I like to think I do!), but to be honest, I often find myself using a lot more of the skills I acquired working in college athletics and professional sports for the work I do now for clients with social media.

A lot of that involves basic tenets of good communication, no matter what field you work in: being open, honest, well-spoken and constantly intrigued to learn more from others. I take all of these and try to use that to help shape better social media initiatives for clients. From my sports background, I also try to instill a lot of enthusiasm and passion into my social media work. I really think you can&#039;t take that for granted. I&#039;ve seen far too many people in the business go through the motions with initiatives, and from my perspective, that does little to engage others via social media. You have to become an advocate and a fan of your clients and their work (to a degree ... you obviously don&#039;t want to go overboard), so that comes out in the social media (and traditional PR) work you do for them. 

@KeithTrivitt]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel &#8211; Honestly, this is one of the best posts I&#8217;ve read in some time. You really shed a lot of light on what is quickly becoming a very heated subject within the PR/social media worlds. Coming from a non-PR background (I have two degrees in sport management), I lean more to the side of what Arik said. I now certainly have the PR and social media chops that are necessary to succeed in this business (at least I like to think I do!), but to be honest, I often find myself using a lot more of the skills I acquired working in college athletics and professional sports for the work I do now for clients with social media.</p>
<p>A lot of that involves basic tenets of good communication, no matter what field you work in: being open, honest, well-spoken and constantly intrigued to learn more from others. I take all of these and try to use that to help shape better social media initiatives for clients. From my sports background, I also try to instill a lot of enthusiasm and passion into my social media work. I really think you can&#8217;t take that for granted. I&#8217;ve seen far too many people in the business go through the motions with initiatives, and from my perspective, that does little to engage others via social media. You have to become an advocate and a fan of your clients and their work (to a degree &#8230; you obviously don&#8217;t want to go overboard), so that comes out in the social media (and traditional PR) work you do for them. </p>
<p>@KeithTrivitt</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole VanScoten</title>
		<link>http://communikaytrix.com/2009/07/16/who%e2%80%99s-responsible-for-social-media-counsel/comment-page-1/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nicole VanScoten]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post, Rachel!

Like you (and many others who have commented), I come from a PR background so I like to fight for us PR pros to have a chance in the social media game. However, like Heather said, it needs to be the right PR people. Not all of us are suited for social media. And, I agree with Lauren that it shouldn&#039;t always be PR people doing social media...especially when people from other backgrounds are more suited. 

Social media is so new, so no one can truly say they come from a social media background (thus why I don&#039;t think anyone can call themselves an &quot;expert&quot; yet). Maybe once colleges start offering social media majors, and social media is around for a little longer, people will have it as a background, but not right now.

It&#039;s really a matter of who is able to use, understand, and apply all the tools the best (while still staying on the cutting edge of everything new that comes out) - and I think Sarah is a good example of a person like this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Rachel!</p>
<p>Like you (and many others who have commented), I come from a PR background so I like to fight for us PR pros to have a chance in the social media game. However, like Heather said, it needs to be the right PR people. Not all of us are suited for social media. And, I agree with Lauren that it shouldn&#8217;t always be PR people doing social media&#8230;especially when people from other backgrounds are more suited. </p>
<p>Social media is so new, so no one can truly say they come from a social media background (thus why I don&#8217;t think anyone can call themselves an &#8220;expert&#8221; yet). Maybe once colleges start offering social media majors, and social media is around for a little longer, people will have it as a background, but not right now.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really a matter of who is able to use, understand, and apply all the tools the best (while still staying on the cutting edge of everything new that comes out) &#8211; and I think Sarah is a good example of a person like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren Fernandez</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lauren Fernandez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Awesome post, Rach. I think Arik is right in that it will be a heated debate for a long time, and I don&#039;t think there is one set description for who should head up your campaign. I argued on my blog awhile back that it shouldn&#039;t automatically be your PR person, because they might not understand the tools. Do they have the foundation? Certainly. Any good PR pro should be able to use communication tools that are readily available to get their message across. This is why I still don&#039;t think that there are social media &#039;experts&#039; of any kind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome post, Rach. I think Arik is right in that it will be a heated debate for a long time, and I don&#8217;t think there is one set description for who should head up your campaign. I argued on my blog awhile back that it shouldn&#8217;t automatically be your PR person, because they might not understand the tools. Do they have the foundation? Certainly. Any good PR pro should be able to use communication tools that are readily available to get their message across. This is why I still don&#8217;t think that there are social media &#8216;experts&#8217; of any kind.</p>
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		<title>By: Narciso Tovar, Big Noise Communications</title>
		<link>http://communikaytrix.com/2009/07/16/who%e2%80%99s-responsible-for-social-media-counsel/comment-page-1/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Narciso Tovar, Big Noise Communications]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great Communication Starter, Rachel! 

I would agree with Arik in regards to have a blended skillset...it will always be kinda hard to determine who&#039;s &#039;best suited&#039; for any one gig...HOWEVER, I believe that (more ofthen than not), a simple &#039;college try&#039; in a variety of things can help untap some unknown attributes and talents.  You just have to give yourself some time, patience and diligence...and some help along the way!

Which is how anyone like myself could possibly get into PR &amp; Social Media with an Acting degree!  And, like Sarah said (and you nailed earlier) -- &quot;...a practitioner needs to demonstrate an understanding of the tools, of the nuances of social media conversation and have experience in putting those tools into play.”

Narciso Tovar
@Narciso17]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Communication Starter, Rachel! </p>
<p>I would agree with Arik in regards to have a blended skillset&#8230;it will always be kinda hard to determine who&#8217;s &#8216;best suited&#8217; for any one gig&#8230;HOWEVER, I believe that (more ofthen than not), a simple &#8216;college try&#8217; in a variety of things can help untap some unknown attributes and talents.  You just have to give yourself some time, patience and diligence&#8230;and some help along the way!</p>
<p>Which is how anyone like myself could possibly get into PR &amp; Social Media with an Acting degree!  And, like Sarah said (and you nailed earlier) &#8212; &#8220;&#8230;a practitioner needs to demonstrate an understanding of the tools, of the nuances of social media conversation and have experience in putting those tools into play.”</p>
<p>Narciso Tovar<br />
@Narciso17</p>
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		<title>By: Arik Hanson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arik Hanson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a very interesting discussion--and one that will rage on for quite some time I believe. You&#039;re already starting to see social strategists come from all different disciplines and walks of life. Amber Naslund comes from a non-profit background to an extent. My friend Rick Mahn is an IT vet. And many of the folks I engage with online (including you, my friend) are battle-tested PR pros. What&#039;s the right formula and background? I&#039;m not sure there is one. I used to believe the PR pro had the upper hand, but I think it&#039;s more of a blended skill set. I blogged about this over at Amber&#039;s place a while ago--the need to be able to speak different languages. I think that&#039;s the key. You need to have that broad PR/marketing background--I think that&#039;s important. But, you also need to be able to talk a little IT/tech. And, you need to understand what motivates people and what sparks meaningful conversations. And, you need to be a human being (don&#039;t take that last one lightly--there&#039;s a lot baked into that statement). It&#039;s a unique skill set right now, which is why you see a lot of our friends and colleagues getting snapped up by agencies and corporations as the economy starts to turn the corner a bit. 

@arikhanson]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very interesting discussion&#8211;and one that will rage on for quite some time I believe. You&#8217;re already starting to see social strategists come from all different disciplines and walks of life. Amber Naslund comes from a non-profit background to an extent. My friend Rick Mahn is an IT vet. And many of the folks I engage with online (including you, my friend) are battle-tested PR pros. What&#8217;s the right formula and background? I&#8217;m not sure there is one. I used to believe the PR pro had the upper hand, but I think it&#8217;s more of a blended skill set. I blogged about this over at Amber&#8217;s place a while ago&#8211;the need to be able to speak different languages. I think that&#8217;s the key. You need to have that broad PR/marketing background&#8211;I think that&#8217;s important. But, you also need to be able to talk a little IT/tech. And, you need to understand what motivates people and what sparks meaningful conversations. And, you need to be a human being (don&#8217;t take that last one lightly&#8211;there&#8217;s a lot baked into that statement). It&#8217;s a unique skill set right now, which is why you see a lot of our friends and colleagues getting snapped up by agencies and corporations as the economy starts to turn the corner a bit. </p>
<p>@arikhanson</p>
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